Monday 14 October 2013

Transcript of Interview with Dr. Zarshis Avari

Gautam Viswanathan
Yes...ready, Doctor?

Zarshis Avari
since I was born, Editor

Gautam Viswanathan
So, why did you want to become a doctor?

Zarshis Avari
that's it?
no intros?

Gautam Viswanathan
You will see that in the final article

Zarshis Avari
Oh okay cool

Gautam Viswanathan
So, once again
Why did you want to become a doctor?

Zarshis Avari
Becoming a doctor was actually never on my agenda.
I always wanted to do research and be on the frontline of Science

Gautam Viswanathan
So what changed?

Zarshis Avari
I pursued that ambition by doing research for my Honours project
However, I soon realised how monotonous research can be.
Every experiment needs three repeats whose results have to match perfectly.
It means days, if not months of performing the same experiment repeatedly
In the middle of my project, I started talking about becoming a doctor with a close friend of mine

Gautam Viswanathan
But what about the lifetime commitment of being a doctor?

Zarshis Avari
You are not letting me finish

Gautam Viswanathan
Go on

Zarshis Avari
Once I had a few talks with her, she told me that being a Doctor is just as hard, and it is just as monotonous in the beginning as an intern.
However, you always have the chance to meet and talk to new people. New people brings new opinions and new information and you tend to grow as a person even while doing the same tasks again and again
I then decided to pursue a career in medicine
Also, the monotony does end once you become a resident. Doctors working in ED face new challenges every other day.

Gautam Viswanathan
Okay
So, essentially, being a doctor is like being on the front lines.

Zarshis Avari
It is.
It is the doctors that have to make the final decision that will affect the well being of the patient
And having that kind of responsibility is humbling yet exciting

Gautam Viswanathan
Surely that is not an easy decision to make. What were the thoughts going through your mind when you decided to alter your career?

Zarshis Avari
At the time I knew I was making the right decision. I did not have long sleepless nights trying to make the decision. And I don't regret making it either.
The only thoughts entering my mind were how I would convince my parents, since making that career change required me to take an year off.
Which is a big crime, in brown cultures

Gautam Viswanathan
Haha, I know the feeling. How did you approach them?

Zarshis Avari
I thought about letting my supervisor do the dirty work by telling them I was not cut out for research
But my ego would not let me do that.
So I had to suck it up and tell them I had decided to change my career.
They did not give me a lot of grief though, since they always wanted me to become a doctor.

Gautam Viswanathan
Oh how come?

Zarshis Avari
My dad hated the fact that I had "wasted" two years by doing Honours, but I knew that knowledge gained never goes wasted.
And i was right
My Honours degree will help me gain a part-time spot on a research team once I've finished my degree

Gautam Viswanathan
You've said that there is monotony when you're taking your first steps en route to becoming a doctor. Take us through the monotony

Zarshis Avari
As an intern we are supposed to look after the so called 'menial' tasks of putting in an IV drip, cannulation, administering drugs, taking histories and filling in endless amounts of paperwork.

Gautam Viswanathan
Okay. 
Go on, please

Zarshis Avari
That is in addition to the studies we have to do to pass exams.
Also, most interns do overtime to gain experience and money, and hence you can see how it can very quickly drain your energy and enthusiasm for work.

Gautam Viswanathan
Yeah I do
So, take us through a day in your life

Zarshis Avari
It depends on which day of the week we are talking about. We have lectures on Tuesday and Friday, lab sessions on Wednesday, problem based group learning sessions on Thursday and a clinical day on Monday.

Gautam Viswanathan
I think most people here will be interested in knowing what interns do at the clinic

Zarshis Avari
You mean med students?

Gautam Viswanathan
Yes...my bad

Zarshis Avari
As medical students we are divided into small groups. Each group attends clinic at a different hospital. Every hospital has slightly different methods of teaching. At my hospital, we have tutored sessions where we learn communication skills such as history taking and giving bad news to patients, as well as examination skills where we learn how to perform system exams on patients such as hip exam, knee exam etc.
We also have sessions called SCORPIOS whereby we meet actual patients who come in to our medical education center and the students practice those skills on the patients.
In addition to that we are also taught important procedural skills such as gowning, CPR, taking basic obs, plastering etc.
In between the tutored sessions, students are free to make ward rounds and talk to, take histories, and perfomr exams on patients.

Gautam Viswanathan
Okay
You've used quite a bit of technical jargon in there...what are basic obs?

Zarshis Avari
Basic observations such as temperature, heart rate, respiratory rate, blood pressure etc.

Gautam Viswanathan
Right...and what is plastering?

Zarshis Avari
Applying casts/plasters or splints on fractures.

Gautam Viswanathan
I thought as much. On that note, what is gowning?

Zarshis Avari
Gowning up is a laborious procedure that we have to follow in order to gain access to operation theaters. It is done in order to maintain the sterility of the theater

Gautam Viswanathan
Okay

Zarshis Avari
It mainly involves a lot of scrubbing, followed by more scrubbing

Gautam Viswanathan
On TV shows such as Scrubs and Grey's Anatomy, we see medical students being regarded as the lowest rung in the food chain. How true is this?

Zarshis Avari
Very true
It has its advantages and disadvantages though.
We are not allowed to perform major procedures on patients, however in case we do make a mistake during a minor procedure we are protected against lawsuits

Gautam Viswanathan
Okay
Tell us a little bit about the paperwork you are expected to fill in

Zarshis Avari
As med students we do not fill out any perperwork
But as interns we would be expected to fill out forms required for blood transfusions, samples sent to the laboratories, patient medical and drug charts etc.
Every procedure that a patient goes through has a corresponding form/s that needs filling out.

Gautam Viswanathan
Okay

Zarshis Avari
Interns also have to do other tasks such as following up with the patients GP, calling his/her friends and relatives if need be

Gautam Viswanathan
Okay. So what sort of work are you expected to do in the clinic?

Zarshis Avari
All we do as med students is take histories and perform simplae examinations on patients such as a cardio exam, respiratory exam, musculoskeletal exams.
It is not work per se
It is still considered study

Gautam Viswanathan
Okay
So how do you feel at the end of a day?
Once you've exited the clinic?

Zarshis Avari
I feel drained
And most often the first thing I do upon getting back home is plonking down on the bed and taking a nap.
Followed by a nice long shower/gym/football training.

Gautam Viswanathan
Okay. What else do you do to unwind?

Zarshis Avari
I watch this comedy show called Taarak Mehta ka Ultah Chashma :)
It's a daily routine and I'm addicted

Gautam Viswanathan
Hahahaha

Zarshis Avari
The girls like to cook/bake to unwind
They call it procrastibaking
I find it a chore

Gautam Viswanathan
Haha
What about your other friends?

Zarshis Avari
Everyone has a different way of unwinding. Most of my Aussie friends love going to a bar and having a few beers or a bbq on a nice hot day. I prefer going to a sports bar and cheering my team on, but the time difference means that the games are telecast around midnight. Some of my other friends like to go for walks near the harbour bridge if the weather suits them. Some others do things I cannot mention here.

Gautam Viswanathan
Yes...those are best left in the supply closet

Zarshis Avari
Haha..absolutely

Gautam Viswanathan
But I'm sure one of the things that drains you emotionally is giving bad news to people.

Zarshis Avari
Yes it does. I remember this one session we had at clinic during our Haematology block where the clinic hired top notch actors to act out how patients would react upon being told bad news. The emotions they acted out were grief, denial, anger and confusion. That session ended with a lot of people feeling completely drained and a few left with tears in their eyes.

Gautam Viswanathan
Wow
Please continue

Zarshis Avari
That's it..as med students we have not yet been allowed to give bad news to actual patients.

Gautam Viswanathan
Okay...so take us through the process of recording a patient's history

Zarshis Avari
Taking a patients history is a lot like detective work. More often than not we have to tease out pieces of information that we as doctors think are important but may not be so for the patient. It involves asking the patient about his current illness and the symtoms and risk factors assoc. with the illness. We also have to enquire about their surgical history, past medical history, any history of disease that run in the family along with a detailed description of their social life which involves questions on their living status, finances, travel, immunisation, pets, etc.

Gautam Viswanathan
Surely there are some patients who would consider these a little too personal. How do you coax it out of them?

Zarshis Avari
We tell them they have to tell us that if they want to live.
It's pretty easy after that

Gautam Viswanathan
You didn't mince words there!

Zarshis Avari
We put it across to the patients in a different way, but the message is the same

Gautam Viswanathan
How do you normally convey it to them?

Zarshis Avari
We tell them that some of the questions may seem irrelevant or personal but we need to know everything in as much detail as possible to figure out an accurate diagnosis that will affect their management.
Ofcourse, as you get experienced you tailor the questions
You wouldn't ask all of these questions to a 18 year old man with a sniffle,

Gautam Viswanathan
Most definitely
But there are those who would still try to shoo you away and clam up. How do you deal with them?

Zarshis Avari
There will always be patients who will not listen to your advice
In the end, it is their decision and we have to respect it.
Establishing a rapport with the patient is an essential part of taking a history
If you have a good rapport it is very unlikely the patient will be uncooperative
In such cases, we can always ask their spouse, relatives or friends too.

Gautam Viswanathan
What if they refuse to answer you?

Zarshis Avari
If the patient and their relatives still refuse to answer questions then we can only help them in the most basic of ways

Gautam Viswanathan
Okay

Zarshis Avari
Almost every procedure requires consent, and without that there is nothing left to do but ensure that the patient does not suffer.

Gautam Viswanathan
So the history is essentially a checklist that ensures you do what is best for the patient

Zarshis Avari
It is much more than a checklist
It will be different for each patient
It helps us figure out the best mode of approach

Gautam Viswanathan
Right

Zarshis Avari
For example a persistent fever can be due to a multitude of causes
With an accurate history, we might uncover that the patient has travelled to a high risk area and treat him for appropriate infections
An accurate history also helps the technicians such as the radiologists and the microbiologists

Gautam Viswanathan
How is dealing with a child different to dealing with an adult?

Zarshis Avari
Very different.
The medicine is different, the ethics are different, the approach is different and so is the history,

Gautam Viswanathan
How so?

Zarshis Avari
We were jokingly told by one of our professors that paediatric and veterinary medicine are quite similar in that the patient can not talk
We have to rely on what the parents and other relatives tell us
Also the some of the organ systems of a newborn child are different to an adult's
For example the bones of an adult are fused at the tips, whereas they are not in very young kids.
This makes it difficult for a doctor not experienced in paediatric x-rays to figure out whether the child has a fracture
Gautam Viswanathan
So what is the ethical conundrum surrounding a child?

Zarshis Avari
With newborn children there is also the issue of genetic diseases, some of which are very serious and have to be dealt with straight away to maximise the quality of life of the child.
A child cannot give consent and hence it is up to the parents.

Gautam Viswanathan
Ah

Zarshis Avari
Sadly, sometimes the parents do not have the baby's best interests at heart
Also there are ethical issues surrounding a 10 eyar old girl who visits you asking for contraceptive pills

Gautam Viswanathan
Ouch

Zarshis Avari
Do you tell the parents or not?
Do you still maintain privacy of the patient?
In most cases, yes

Gautam Viswanathan
Right

Zarshis Avari
Another ethical conundrum that is not limited to kids but is seen in kids quite often is abuse10:02
Be it sexual, physical or emotional.
It is the prerogative of the doctor to report any suspected abuse to the authorities

Gautam Viswanathan
Okay
One last question then, Doctor
At the end of the day, when you hang up your white lab coat and are done for the day, how do you feel, knowing that in your hands lie the keys to life and death?

Zarshis Avari
I feel like it is the biggest responsibility I have ever taken up/ will take up. As doctors, we spend time with some patients who are at their lowest points in life, and if I can ease their pain even a little bit then I will be a happy man.
It is definitely humbling,

Gautam Viswanathan
Thank you for your time, doctor

Zarshis Avari
Call me Zarshis

Gautam Viswanathan
Fair enough, Zarshis

Zarshis Avari
Zarshis Avari
If I ever become a paediatric doc I want to be called Doctor Z


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